The Best Modern Wedding Florists in Craig, CO

Something Borrowed Blooms

4.9

Starts at $250
Serves Craig, CO

Thousands of brides across the United States and Canada have trusted Something Borrowed Blooms to provide the perfect flowers for their wedding day. We offer brides the expensive peonies, delicate ranunculus, out-of-season anemones, and the ever-impossible-to-find-magnolia — all at a fraction of the cost.

“I used Something Borrowed Blooms for my December 2024 wedding. I used them for the bridal bouquet, MoH bouquet, and 2 centerpieces. I got so many compliments on my bridal bouquet and it was so easy to use without any concerns about getting my dress wet or damaged from real flowers. The flowers look real and even smell floral. The mailing and send-back process was a breeze. I would use them again in a heartbeat for another event.”

Emma P., a year ago

“The Faux Bouquets were absolutely fantastic for our wedding! From the very beginning, they were awesome to work with - extremely responsive and so helpful in guiding us through all the floral options. Their communication style was great, and they really listened to our vision and preferences. The end product was stunning - the bouquets, centerpieces, and other arrangements were so pretty and went beautifully with our color scheme. We were thrilled with how everything turned out, and would highly recommend The Faux Bouquets to any couple planning their wedding.”

The Faux Bouquets

5.0

Starts at $175
Serves Craig, CO

Believe it or not, we often have people ask if our pictures throughout our website are showing a mix of fresh and faux and…no they aren’t! Although fresh florals are pretty, we are totally in love with poser-blooms all the way here and that’s what we design 100% of our orders with.

Ashley G., 25 days ago

“LD Floral Designs was the perfect florist for our wedding. Lisa’s communication style was a perfect mix of friendly and professional, which put us at ease throughout the planning process. The quality of their work was of the highest caliber - Lisa listened closely to our vision and helped bring it to life with amazing attention to detail. As someone who knows very little about flowers, I was impressed by how Lisa took our ideas and ran with them creatively, delivering stunning arrangements that exceeded our expectations. She was also very considerate of our budget, which we greatly appreciated. LD Floral Designs truly made our special day even more beautiful, and we highly recommend them to any couple planning their wedding.”

LD Floral Designs

5.0

Starts at $2,000
Serves Craig, CO

LD Floral Designs knows the importance of that very special day and we are committed to our brides. Because of our high expectations, you can expect the very best on your wedding day. Every design is focused on the details and together we are able to create the ideal wedding fit just for you. Wedding décor such as floral stands and table accents and much more are available for rent, taking your wedding to the next level.

Suzie B., 6 months ago

Bloom Culture: Do-it-yourself Wedding Flowers

4.9

Serves Craig, CO

A common misconception about Bloom Culture is that we are telling people they SHOULD DIY their wedding flowers… when in reality we are telling people they CAN DIY their wedding flowers… if they want to. With Bloom Culture you can create you own wedding flowers with Confidence. We help you get creative, stay in-control of your wedding budget, and enjoy the most beautiful wedding flowers. We have pre-made DIY Flower Collections or you can get a custom design with our FREE online quote or chat with us one on one for more guidance!

“The flowers (on our order) came in large boxes, but they were not labeled, so it took a minute to get the flowers both identified and properly set up. To be fair we were warned about the process, but not about the length of time due to our inexperience. As a note, it took my fiancé 5 hours to process the flowers when first receiving them. I also did not have any updates from them from the time I ordered till they were being shipped. They were beyond more affordable compared to other florists, and the flowers arrived alive and in good spirits. We were able to keep the flowers alive for over four days!! Many of the flowers that we chose did not have specific instructions, so we had to follow the general reference for the flowers and hope for the best. Additionally, some of the flowers that we wanted were not in stock, and they were replaced for us with substitutes but were not notified until we had all of the flowers already delivered to us. Also, as a note, bloom culture uses third party sellers for their flowers, so the quality may vary depending on location. Our flowers were in good condition, and the company we had clearly took good care of the flowers prior to delivering them to us. Would we do it again? Probably not, but it made for good laughs and bonding time and we have stories to tell from it!”

Hannah H., 2 months ago

Bupp Woodworks & Designs - Flower Preservation

5.0

Serves Craig, CO
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We offer professional flower preservation services so you can cherish your wedding bouquet flowers forever! Accepting fresh, dried, and artificial bouquets from across the USA. Offering over 40 different keepsake options for every budget and style including: •ring holders •necklaces •bookmarks •ornaments •jewelry dishes •vanity trays •coasters •candle holders •wine stoppers •pyramids •cubes •gemstones •bookends •large floral blocks •hexagons •arches •wall hangings •wood shadowboxes •large wood serving trays •clear acrylic serving trays •river tables and custom heirloom furniture. Book your spot today!

“I was referred to Bupp Designs by my wedding planner and they absolutely did not disappoint! Tina does such beautiful work and I couldn’t have asked for a better way to preserve my flowers! She was also very communicative and made sure I liked the arrangement before pouring. So many options to choose from as well! I know there’s another added expense, but truly you won’t regret preserving your flowers especially with Bupp!”

Kat, 8 months ago

KM Flowers and Events Specialist

5.0

Starts at $3,500
Serves Craig, CO

Katharine has been preforming floristry for over a decade and loves creating unique designs. She loves to hear the back stories of how couples fell in love. This shines through in the floral selections and creates a special story. She creates sustainable mechanics ~ Dual purpose. ~ Reusable materials. ~ Compostable. She guides and supports clients about being foam free and how these practices can still create lush, large, and romantic installations. As a wedding florist based in the picturesque landscapes of Colorado, she understands the significance of creating floral masterpieces that not only enchant but also honor our environment.

“Katharine and her team were absolutely incredible to work with. From the very beginning they took the time to understand my vision and then delivered floral designs that were even more breathtaking than I could have imagined. Every detail was flawless and the flowers completely transformed our wedding day. On top of their amazing talent, they were kind, professional, and so easy to work with. I am endlessly grateful and would recommend them to anyone planning a wedding.”

Maia T., 2 months ago

“Hutson Floral Design was an absolute pleasure to work with for our wedding. From the very first interaction, their communication was kind, professional, and incredibly helpful. The quality of their work was simply amazing - the bouquets, centerpieces, and ceremony arrangements were all beautifully creative and made our special day feel even more magical. Hutson Floral Design truly helped me feel relaxed and able to enjoy our wedding day to the fullest. We couldn't have had a better florist, and we're so grateful for their contributions to making our wedding day perfect.”

Hutson Floral Design

4.5

Starts at $1,000
Serves Craig, CO

Hutson Floral Design specializes in custom, unique designs for weddings, events and daily floral occasions. We have been designing beautiful weddings and events for over a decade, sharing our passion and love of flowers across the country. From mountain to tropical destination weddings, we bring unique and custom designs to the couple’s special day. Always listening, paying close attention to details and offering guidance to enhance the best wedding day experience.

Sue T., a year ago

Alegre Weddings and Events

5.0

Starts at $500
Serves Craig, CO

I started planning weddings in 2008. My focus has been day of coordinating and planning. Over the last 5 years we added additional services including our new passion of wedding florals! We offer arch rentals and additional decor.

“Amelia with Alegre was a dream. She was easy to get in touch with and has affordable options for any bride. The flowers were gorgeous and I’m glad we chose her company!”

Dana J., 3 years ago

“We are so grateful we chose Privé Events as our wedding florist. Working with Sam Hoffman was truly a game changer. Neither of us knows much about flowers, and we were honestly a bit overwhelmed at the thought of having to figure out floral design. But Sam made the process feel so easy and approachable. She met us exactly where we were. We knew we wanted something simple, elegant, and cost-conscious, and she delivered on every front without ever making us feel like we had to compromise on beauty or vision. Sam never made us feel pressured to “reinvent the wheel,” and instead helped us create something that felt natural, timeless, and just right for us. The communication was clear and low-stress from start to finish, and the end result completely exceeded our expectations. Privé Events provided everything from bouquets and aisle markers to greenery on the venue’s wooden beams, a stunning floral chuppah, and gorgeous bud vases and table arrangements for the reception. Every detail was thoughtfully done and beautifully placed. It all came together perfectly and really elevated the atmosphere of the entire day. We can't recommend Privé Events and Sam enough, especially for couples looking for someone who gets it and can bring your vision to life without stress or pressure. She made it feel effortless and fun, and we truly loved working with her.”

Privé Events

5.0

Starts at $5,000
Serves Craig, CO

Privé Events is a boutique wedding planning and floral design company with over 15 years of experience creating unforgettable celebrations across Colorado. Our talented, detail-driven team blends creative vision with expert execution to craft warm, personalized, and stress-free wedding experiences. To ensure the highest level of service, we require a $5,000 minimum for floral design during peak season (May–October), allowing us to focus on thoughtful, custom designs that reflect your unique style.

Zoe R., 6 months ago

Anthology On Main | Book Page Flowers

5.0

Starts at $2,500
Serves Craig, CO

Anthology On Main is an alternative paper florist, specializing in flowers handmade from book pages! I handcraft your wedding flowers from the pages of your favorite books, using your favorite flowers (no matter the season) and in your colors that coordinate with your wedding palette. Although my studio is based in Kansas, I ship flowers all over the US. Your flowers will stay beautiful long after your wedding day, with no preservation needed, for meaningful keepsakes that last for decades. Whether you’re planning a full wedding or an intimate elopement, I’ll work with you to bring your vision to life with artistry and meaningful details.

“Katie was amazing to work with! She helped tailor our flowers to keep within our budget, and they came out AMAZING. I'm so happy I get to keep them as an amazing keepsake. Everyone at the wedding was floored that they were paper and not real. And having quotes from our favorite books to look at all day was just a memorable experience.”

Joanna L., 2 months ago

Birch & Bramble Floral Co.

5.0

Starts at $3,000
Serves Craig, CO

Hi there, I’m Brandice and I LOVE flowers! It is my passion to create unique designs that will take your breath away. I love incorporating the unexpected, foraging for the best textures, and combining all that beauty into one heck of a magical botanical creation. I would love to be a part of all the beauty that goes into the most memorable day of your lives. I can’t wait to hear your ideas and help make your wedding unforgettable.

“We booked Birch and Bramble Floral for our wedding and Brandice was absolutely incredible to work with!!! Personable, easy to work with, and provided florals that were better than we ever could have expected! Pricing is affordable and she was very transparent throughout the whole process with flower pricing so we could still get the flowers/arrangements we were hoping for. Brandice made us bouquets, multiple arrangements, table greenery, bud vases, corsages, and introduced us to pocket square boutonnieres (ask her about them, the groomsmen loved them so much more than traditional boutonnieres!) She created photo albums of each arrangement's intended flowers so that we could get an idea of what the final product would look like and to pick and choose any flowers we loved or didn't love. She also travels, and for such a reasonable price! She brought all our florals up to the mountains on our wedding day and set up arrangements which was very helpful! Not to mention, the amount of compliments the florals got from our guests the day-of, we were just blown away! We truly cannot speak highly enough of Brandice, her floral design skills, and how amazing she was to work with, every meeting with her had me laughing and feeling much less bride-stressed! We would absolutely hire her again and recommend her to everyone!”

Erin D., 2 years ago

Flowers by Christy Joy

5.0

Serves Craig, CO

We’re a Colorado-based floral design company that places great emphasis on social consciousness and the relational aspects of running a business. We believe in building relationship with our clients to not only produce high quality, exquisite pieces uniquely suited for each couple, but also to enjoy the moments, laughter, and stories to be shared throughout the process. We bring a value that is beyond beautiful flowers with a deep desire to make the bride, groom and family members feel elegant, valued, and loved. Our team runs as a family and it's our home that you feel that when working with us.

“Flowers by Christy Joy was an absolute pleasure to work with for our wedding. From our very first interaction, Christy Joy was communicative, caring, and always positive. She took everything I wanted into consideration and delivered beautiful, exactly-what-I-wanted floral arrangements. Everyone said my bouquet and my bridesmaids' bouquets were the prettiest they had ever seen. Christy's attention to detail and ability to bring my vision to life was truly impressive. I would highly recommend Flowers by Christy Joy to any couple looking for an exceptional florist who will help make your wedding day extra special.”

Greta, 4 months ago

“Megan and her team are so awesome! I really didn’t have a very clear vision on what I wanted flowers wise but Megan swooped in to save the day! She knew exactly what to do to make our venue look amazing. She was so sweet and helpful, responds so quickly, and even took the initiative and created some really sweet personal touches that meant so much to us. She is such a talented artist and was absolutely wonderful to work with. Thank you!!”

Coeur de Fleur

5.0

Serves Craig, CO

Welcome, my name is Megan! I am a floral designer and calligrapher. Coeur de Fleur offers multiple services for your event, giving you a cohesive look, stellar design quality, and overall savings on the decor for your event! We offer full service floral design, hand painted signs, custom paper products, invitation suites, and candlelight rentals. When it comes to the details for your event, we go the extra mile.

Rose M., 7 months ago

Garden of Eden Flowers & Gifts

5.0

Starts at $6,000
Serves Craig, CO

Elevating wedding experiences with our full-scale, high-end floral designs, our Breckenridge-based company specializes in creating stunning arrangements inspired by the unique and unexpected, set amidst the breathtaking backdrop of the Colorado Rockies. For faster response, contact us through our website! gardenofedencolorado .com Wedding Flower minimum starts at $5000 with an average spend of $6500-$8500 on florals only

“Carla was amazing to work with! She was incredibly communicative and patient as she helped me shape and refine my vision for our wedding flowers. I was especially excited about the table garlands, and when I finally saw them in person, they were everything I had hoped for—and somehow even better. Every detail was thoughtfully designed and beautifully executed. Carla truly brought my vision to life and worked so hard to make it all come together seamlessly. She’s not just a florist—she’s a true artist. Thank you, Carla, for everything!”

Kiley E., a month ago

Pine and Petal Weddings - WOOD FLOWERS

5.0

Starts at $200
Serves Craig, CO
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WOOD FLOWERS that last a lifetime. At Pine & Petal Weddings, we believe flowers should endure as long as the memories they celebrate. Our handcrafted sola wood bouquets and décor go beyond fleeting blooms—capturing your story in pieces that last for years. From walking down the aisle to gifting a friend or gathering around the table, our wooden flowers are keepsakes that bring joy, comfort, and timeless beauty to life’s most meaningful moments.

“I can’t say enough good things about Pine and Petal Wood Flowers! I had the absolute pleasure of working with Vanessa Ward throughout the entire process, and she was incredible. I was completely lost when it came to choosing colors and styles, but Vanessa helped me pick shades that perfectly matched my wedding color scheme and flowers that suited my taste beautifully. She was so communicative, kind, and accommodating—especially when I needed my flowers made and shipped on a tight timeline. Everything arrived on time and looked stunning! I would highly recommend Pine and Petal to anyone looking for elegant, timeless, and long-lasting floral arrangements. We plan to have our bouquet proudly on display as a beautiful reminder of our wedding day, and I couldn’t be happier with how everything turned out!”

Kayla J., a month ago

“Caroline was an absolute dream to work with! She went out of her way from day one to make sure my floral dreams came true! I probably changed the plan on her 5 times and she handled everything so amazingly! My wedding looked like something off of Pinterest thanks to her and I am so so thankful we found her! She took such care to make sure every little detail was perfect and went so far above and beyond my expectations for a florist! I could rave about her all day!”

Provision Floral

5.0

Starts at $5,000
Serves Craig, CO

As a Denver-based florist, we redefine the floral experience by crafting timeless, yet bold floral designs that transcend the ordinary and weave your dreams into reality. Our passion lies in creating floral designs that leave you breathless. Whether it's a wedding or event, or just a simple moment of joy, we make the magic happen, one bloom at a time.

Paige + J., 4 years ago

“Great choice! Glad we picked them for our wedding. Excellent service!”

Free Flow Florals

5.0

Starts at $2,500
Serves Craig, CO

***CLICK ON GLOBE ICON UNDER PROFILE PHOTO TO FILL OUT FLORAL DESIGN INQUIRY FORM. WE WILL ONLY RESPOND VIA BY FORM.*** If you would like us to get started on planning directly, we ask that you kindly fill out the form and one of our team members will get back to you as soon as possible!

James T., a year ago

“Calla Lane was so great and our flowers turned out beautifully - better than I could have ever expected. They made sure that they understood what I wanted and brought my idea to life. We are so grateful for their expertise and artistry!!”

Calla Lane Florals

5.0

Starts at $500
Serves Craig, CO
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At Calla Lane Florals, we believe flowers should feel like you. Every arrangement tells a story, and we’re here to make sure yours is filled with color, texture, and meaning. Whether you’re planning an intimate elopement in the mountains or a celebration in the front range, we craft florals that reflect your vision, your love, and your personality. Our designs are never one-size-fits-all — they’re thoughtfully created to match your style, your space, and your day.

Mattie G., a year ago

Elizabeth Rose Florals

Serves Craig, CO

We are Elizabeth Rose Florals, a wedding and event florist based in Colorado Founded in 2023, our studio specializes in weddings, events, corporate gatherings, and handcrafted bouquets. With meticulous attention to detail, we collaborate closely with clients to bring their unique vision to life. From romantic weddings to corporate centerpieces, our expertise ensures each arrangement exudes sophistication and charm.

“Compass Rose did an amazing job on our florals!! They were easy to work with and they made our vision come to life. After a virtual consultation and mock-ups, they took care of the rest. We were thrilled on our wedding day.”

Compass Rose Floral

5.0

Starts at $500
Serves Craig, CO for additional fees

We design stunning faux arrangements from the finest silk flowers to transform spaces into breathtaking floral experiences! Whether you’re dreaming of a Colorado inspired design, lots of color, or classic romance, our team will bring your grandest ideas or simple designs to life. With endless customization through a variety of colors, styles, and blooms and an expert team by your side to walk you through everything, you can rest assured that your flowers will look amazing throughout your event without wilting or water. Plus, since our arrangements are rented, you can enjoy beautiful flowers without all the waste and your money goes further!

Madeline S., 4 months ago

“Vita Fiori was an absolute pleasure to work with for our wedding flowers. From our first contact, their communication was fast, efficient, and incredibly helpful - they clearly understood our vision and worked tirelessly to bring it to life. The quality of their work was simply stunning; the bouquets, centerpieces, and ceremony arrangements were expertly crafted and exceeded our expectations in every way. Vita Fiori truly went above and beyond, ensuring our wedding day was filled with the most beautiful, vibrant florals that perfectly complemented the overall aesthetic. We cannot recommend them highly enough and are so grateful for their incredible service. Johanna is AMAZING!!”

Vita Fiori

5.0

Starts at $5,000
Serves Craig, CO for additional fees

Vita Fiori creates flowers that evoke feeling and tell stories. We create art. We believe in celebrating the one life you get to live. This is your wedding, babe. Let's make it unforgettable. Our style is whimsical and romantic; we like to create florals so breathtaking, your guests stop and say, "Wow. I've never seen anything like this before."

Megan H., a year ago

Tipsy Designs WOOD FLOWERS!

5.0

Starts at $850
Serves Craig, CO for additional fees
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EDIT to bring more awareness. I am NOT a fresh flower florist. I work with beautiful handmade wood flowers. I hand paint them to fit your vision and arrange them. No silk flowers. (unless not available in wood) NO fresh flowers. I am sorry for the inconvenience. Please only inquiry if you are aware that I am NOT a FRESH florist. PRICING is linked through my website under my logo photo I discovered wood flowers when I was planning my wedding in 2020. From that point I fell in love and Tipsy Designs blossomed! Since then, we have done several weddings, even was hired by the football hall of fame in Canton Ohio in August 2023.

“Ronna was our floral artist for our wedding on 9/27/25. She was the best vendor we worked with! She was so communicative with us, really making sure our color and flower design preferences were what we wanted. Not only that, she was a huge support system for me throughout the entire planning process. She drove 100 miles the day before our wedding to set up and install. She also designed our centerpieces! She went above and beyond, and I’m so thankful to know her. I will be a forever customer of Ronna’s and Tipsy! I can’t thank Ronna enough, and I will be forever grateful.”

Mary Dee N., 14 days ago

Rosemary's Garden Florals

4.7

Starts at $4,000
Serves Craig, CO for additional fees
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My name is Rosemary Sammons and I would like to thank you for considering Rosemary's Garden Florals as your wedding florist. All my floral creations are composed of everlasting blooms that can resemble any flower in nature, but are made to last a lifetime. When you choose Rosemary's Garden Florals for your wedding, you can rest assured that each arrangement will be created with fine attention to detail. I am proud to offer my floral services for hand delivery in the state of Florida and secure shipping throughout the United States.

“Rosemary's Garden Florals was a dream to work with for our wedding day. From the start, they were extremely communicative, providing frequent updates and beautiful proposals that gave us confidence in their vision. On the day of, their floral arrangements truly exceeded our expectations - the centerpieces, bridal bouquet, arch decor, and cake florals were all absolutely gorgeous and long-lasting. We received so many compliments from our guests on the stunning florals that brought our wedding to life. Rosemary's Garden Florals was an invaluable vendor that helped make our special day even more beautiful.”

Michaela P., a year ago

“Blooms by Becks is an expert florist, designer, and planner that handled everything for our wedding weekend. From the moment we met with Rebecca, her attention to detail and creative vision brought our wedding to life in the most beautiful way. We received countless compliments from our guests on the gorgeous florals and how they perfectly captured the romantic, elegant feel we were going for. Blooms by Becks exceeded our expectations, and we are so grateful for the entire teams expertise and hard work in making our wedding day truly special.”

Blooms by Becks

5.0

Starts at $3,500
Serves Craig, CO for additional fees
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Blooms by Becks is a premier floral, design, and event planning studio based in Dallas, Texas, specializing in elevated experiences focusing on exquisite detail. We offer a full-service approach to luxury events, seamlessly integrating bespoke florals, artful design, and meticulous planning to create moments that are as unforgettable as they are beautiful. From intimate soirées to grand celebrations, each event is thoughtfully curated and flawlessly executed. Our team is known for its discerning eye, refined aesthetic, and commitment to excellence ensuring that every detail reflects the highest standards of style and sophistication.

Billie, 3 months ago

“Allison absolutely nailed our wedding florals! After giving her (probably too many) ideas and visions and descriptions of what we hoped our wedding florals would look like, she somehow knew my vision and my dream way better than I ever did - and I was totally blown away on our wedding day. I 1,000% trusted her through every step of every process - as she is a professional and has tons of experience and quite simply just has an eye for florals. She is SO talented. I was never worried - and never questioned our decision to partner with her on our wedding day, not once. We got several compliments from our friends and family, too. We will forever be grateful for the beautiful work she did for us.”

Floret & Foliage

4.0

Starts at $500
Serves Craig, CO for additional fees

Welcome! I am Allison! The Badass Behind The Flowers. The official flower handler of Floret & Foliage. I live in Wahpeton, with my bearded husband, Jesse; two dogs, Ruxin, Penny, and three cats, Dottie, Kit, & Lewis affectionately known as Poopis. I rarely brush my hair, and it is almost always in a ponytail or a bun, and probably a different color than the last time you saw me.

Summer A., a year ago

CC's Flowers

5.0

Serves Craig, CO for additional fees

CC's Flower Truck started as a mobile flower business out of a beautifully restored 1968 VW truck. What started as a dream to start a flower truck in Colorado, quickly morphed into helping couples bring their floral visions to life! We now operate a retail flower shop in Fort Collins and offer full-service wedding and event florals, as well as truck rentals for your big day! We love spreading Peace, Love, & Flowers around Northern Colorado and what better way than at your wedding!

“From our first meeting with the team at CC's Flowers, we were so impressed by their friendly, engaging, and helpful communication. They truly listened to our vision and worked closely with us to plan the most beautiful, unique, and hand-crafted floral arrangements for our wedding day that worked with our budget. Their team was so communicative throughout the process, ensuring they fully understood our style and preferences. The end result was breathtaking - our guests were in awe of the one-of-a-kind florals that truly brought our wedding to life. We would highly recommend CC's Flowers to anyone looking for exceptional, personalized flowers for their special day!”

Lisa T., a year ago

Plantus Potum

4.0

Serves Craig, CO

Plantus Potum | “plants drink” We are a place of possibilities. As an experienced large scale installation artist, I work with an evolving team of brilliant artists that strive to make your floral dreams come true. We will work together from a chosen color pallet making your event florals as magical and special as your love. Whether it be a wedding, social, or corporate event, we bring to life your personal vision through movement, texture and sculptural depth of our designs. **The best way to connect is to directly inquire on our website at plantuspotum. com/contact

“Kristyn was such a pleasure to work with! I needed a bouquet for a staged bridal shoot, and Im so glad I found her. She incorporated my boho theme and color inspiration perfectly. We got so many compliments on the bouquet and it really made the photos pop. Her shop in Denver is super cute too and worth stopping by for a fresh arrangement. Hope to work with her again in the future!”

Jenna Sommer, 4 years ago