We met on a Wednesday evening around 5pm, Sep 23, 1998 at Bally's gym in Newport Beach. Saif was sitting next to the ab-roller machine and I asked him if he is using it, he said "No, go ahead, I'm still eating my energy bar". We saw each again in the locker room. He asked me if I want to grab dinner after the gym and I said, "sure". We both had a great time and rest is history.